nolan
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Post by nolan on Sept 12, 2014 4:06:51 GMT
"It beggars belief that in 2014 there are still those who cling to the totalitarian regimes of the 20th century and study and quote every one of their ideas as if any of it were still relevant. We live in a changed world, a world no longer divided by a Dickensian class system. Most people are middle class. We are not evil top hatted bourgeois or penniless factory workers. The globalized capitalist system is set to fix every single social problem once though to be fixable only through a complete societal change. Look at China under Communism vs China with capitalism.
Revolutions in general, except for those of a truly democratic nature (like the Maidan in Ukraine), only ruin nations and breed chaos and misery. This is true ten times over in the case of Communism. The societies produced by Lenin and his followers were artificial impositions on the historical development of the nations they conquered, and rightfully collapsed under the weight of their own contradictions. Communism never could reconcile the economic and political needs of the individual with its aspirations to control every aspect of society. How would you do it differently? If you would do it pretty much the same, isn't that the definition of insanity, doing something over and over again and expecting the same results?
There is no class conflict in the 21st century. Democracy has triumphed over the radical." |
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Post by StalinistSpeaker on Sept 13, 2014 23:49:45 GMT
1) are you denying the existence of classes? the Bourgeoise is bigger and more wealthier than ever before.
2) there are lot's of communist/left-wing uprisings in the world right now, in places such as India, Filipinos, Colombia and even the Donetsk peoples republic is largely left-wing. The fact that 1st world doesn't do anything revolutionary is no surprise, but there are lot's of resistance movement's in less developed countries mainly the third world.
that is not to say that 1st world countries doesn't have any success on far left left parties. the most notable communist parties are in countries such as Greece, Spain, Russia etc. these are the countries that either have a communist past or have been largely affected by the 2008 collapse of capitalism.
3) Communism as an idea didn't fail, it was a country that failed, and not due to the ideology, but due to the situation in the world and the political decisions made. not to mention the later leaders that revised the whole idea of communism.
re-creating a socialist republic is not the same thing as you did before, for each day that passes the world looks different, So when you build something in a different environment you will get a different outcome than you would 100 years ago. Also it wouldn't be possible to recreate something that was created about 100 years ago, that is because the world is always developing.
Now if you say that doing something over and over again is insanity isn't the current capitalist system inherently bad? after all economic crash after economic crash and they still don't learn anything? the system has the same foundation and is the same thing. and yet they keep coming into new economic depressions that affects the world massively. but they keep doing the same thing over and over. so according to you the capitalist system is insanity?
4) "Democracy" has not triumphed, it has failed, look around you, wherever you look there are always some kind of radical groups.
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Post by rainsborough on Oct 8, 2014 20:44:26 GMT
Really and what is your idea of democracy? For the most part democracy is just another tool used by the capitalist state to keep control of the working class. A thing that is rolled out every now and again to give the workers the illusion that they are somehow involved in the running of things.
True democracy will never be known until the workers have thrown of the self imposed chains of capitalist slavery. Realised that we, the workers, have no need of the capitalist classes. That the tools of production are already in our hands, we merely have to take control of them and watch capitalism and their false democracy crumble into the dust.
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